Ask your PMC Head Meeting 20100127

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Date: 2010-01-27
Time: 3PM GMT
Venue: irc #adempiere-team
Attendees:

CarlosRuiz entered the channel
viola entered the channel
kai7 entered the channel
kai7: Hi guys
viola: hi there
CarlosRuiz: Hi
viola: Did I get that right - time to ask Carlos abaout everything, the universe and so?
CarlosRuiz: hehehe - I have the answer: 42
viola: Ah I see - to for the more complex questions...
viola: What is the exact status of this document: http://www.adempiere.com/index.php/PMC_Structure
viola: to be discussed?
CarlosRuiz: I would say it's published there to collect ideas and critics and improvements, etc
viola: Good! Thanx for this work! The groups proposed are not yet established?
CarlosRuiz: well - two things about that:
CarlosRuiz: 1 - participation is open to everybody
CarlosRuiz: 2 - we need some key people to be available - as expressed in the page - not immediately available, but a little :-)
CarlosRuiz: I sent some invitations to some people that I want to be the pioneers
trifon entered the channel
CarlosRuiz: reaffirming -> participation is open to everybody
viola: I see - now how are the groups supposed to work together? - Maybe I am a bit old-fashioned but for example the Release mgmt group:
CarlosRuiz: at this moment we're on the stage of conforming the groups - let's say people signing
viola: I consider it to be hard to agree on these complex topics in a group spread world-wide
CarlosRuiz: after that we need to work on :-) how are we going to work
viola: ok
mark_o_ entered the channel
CarlosRuiz: I would prefer to avoid imposing my work style - but in each group we agree how to make things
mark_o_: hi all
CarlosRuiz: [Hi Mark]
CarlosRuiz: I see myself more acting like a coordinator between groups - and probably trying to avoid important things missing the discussion
trifon: Hi Mark
viola: I see. would you like to state who currently is in charge of what group?
CarlosRuiz: and probably trying to participate in all groups :-)
viola: hi mark -
CarlosRuiz: well - there are people that haven't answered the invitation
CarlosRuiz: but at this moment the groups are like this:
CarlosRuiz: Architectural -> Jörg Viola, Heng Sin Low (System Architect)
CarlosRuiz: Functional -> Redhuan, Armen, Joel Hoffman, Kai, Bayu, Joel Stangeland (Leader)
CarlosRuiz: Functional Documentation -> Redhuan, Bayu
CarlosRuiz: Usability -> Kai (Leader)
viola: ok - what about release mgmt?
CarlosRuiz: that's just the people that have accepted
CarlosRuiz: I sent an invitation to one person for release management - still unanswered
CarlosRuiz: meanwhile on empty groups I guess I'll try to assume the role
CarlosRuiz: but again -> invitations doesn't mean this is closed
viola: I see.
CarlosRuiz: PMC is open
CarlosRuiz: people can sign
viola: (I will continue to ask until another one is jumping in)
CarlosRuiz: I'm just trying to figure can be of more help on each role or group and inviting them
CarlosRuiz: sorry -> who can be of more help ...
CarlosRuiz: fixing typo  :-)
viola: thats good - I agree on this
viola: Do you have any concrete plans for the releases? - I like the ideas stated in the structure doc
CarlosRuiz: just trying to figure the first plan for the stable release - let me check the forum link ...
armenrz_ entered the channel
CarlosRuiz: https://sourceforge.net/projects/adempiere/forums/forum/610548/topic/3529850
CarlosRuiz: and proposing some guidelines to release management - but I hope with the release group we can concrete how is this going to be
CarlosRuiz: I woud like a timely based release - but it needs deeper review to see if it's feasible
armenrz_: hi guys
CarlosRuiz: Hi Armen
viola: ok I see
kai7: Regarding the release plan another important point:
kai7: We have the tradition to name it after new borns in the community
trifon: this is good tradition.
kai7: So we should check possible birth days of kids and adjust the plan to it. :-)
CarlosRuiz: :-D
kai7: Actually I could offer one this July. ;-)
trifon: wow very good!
trifon: my daughter is in July too.
kai7: Me too, it's a good month. :-)
kai7: Sorry, back to the topic...
CarlosRuiz: we're going to need a gynecologist on the PMC  :-D
viola: ah now I see what carlos meant by: "I woud like a timely based release" ;-)
kai7: :-))
mark_o_: Tobi and his wife have just delivered a daughter
mark_o_: a few days ago
trifon: let'smake a version
kai7: To soon I would say. :-)
trifon: this is very good news!
mark_o_: :-)
viola: hey - send them my congrats!
mark_o_: i'll do that
trifon: i think that such news really deserve version.
CarlosRuiz: mine too, please
trifon: 3.5.4a is quite stable.
trifon: we canmake 3.5.6.
trifon: and name it after tobi's Daughter.
mark_o_: Then it would be a Laura-Edition ;-)
CarlosRuiz: for sure we're going to receive more requests than versions
trifon: very very good!
trifon: so let's make Laura editin 3.5.6
CarlosRuiz: let's see how sustainable is the naming without offending people that don't obtain a version name - but I would leave that to discuss and propose a good procedure to name versions to the release group
trifon: :(
trifon: Carlos sounds too complicated
trifon: propose to releas group to find proper name :(
CarlosRuiz: Trifon - I have like 5 different requests and just one version to release
trifon: ok.
CarlosRuiz: seriously - I guess that's something that people like a lot - I have received 5 of those requests  :-) it's sorry to dissapoint 4  :-(
kai7: Sorry Carlos, it wasn't my intention to blow up the discussion...
CarlosRuiz: don't worry - you brought something important - naming of releases
CarlosRuiz: I forgot to review that on the PMC Structure proposal
viola: I would like to hear whether people like Carlos' PMC Structure concept - is it accepted?
CarlosRuiz: as I sent the invitations privately - then I have received the answers privately - until now the people that accepted has answered positively
CarlosRuiz: there was something you wrote me that probably needs review
CarlosRuiz: probably I assigned to System Archited some things that probably must go to a Developers Leader - we can review that
viola: So no "open" discussion on this until now? - Should that be a #1 topic in the community?
viola: sorry meant: shouldn't that e a #1 topic in the community?
kai7: Carlos, what are you plans with this PMC structure?
kai7: Should there be a voting on it later?
vpj-cd entered the channel
CarlosRuiz: after we have some names - next we need to review with each group how are we going to interact - and start working on those things - there are plenty of procedures, formats, etc to define
CarlosRuiz: I guess that's the work of pioneers
CarlosRuiz: and as I know it can be very time consuming
CarlosRuiz: then I would propose or help wherever a group wants me to draft a proposal
CarlosRuiz: about voting - no, I don't think so - doors are open to anybody - I would just check availability
CarlosRuiz: and about voting on leaders - I don't think so
kai7: Vorting maybe not on the people, but on the structre itself?
CarlosRuiz: ah - I see
CarlosRuiz: [thinking ...]
kai7: But maybe we could first collect some experiences
kai7: And later fix the things.
kai7: Hm, not sure for now. :-)
CarlosRuiz: yep - it can be good to vote to officialize the thing
CarlosRuiz: but it can be hand - tying also
CarlosRuiz: initially we're going to need arrangements
CarlosRuiz: I guess at this time it's better not to vote on it - but test it
viola: agree - but image the release group finally impose a release plan
kai7: OK, I guess we could be happy if the groups are really working. ;-)
viola: for example - would this plan be to be voted about? - I mean are the results of the group official in any sense?
CarlosRuiz: it depends - if it's within the scope of the PMC Head Concept - it's official
CarlosRuiz: if it's something out of the scope - then it needs to be voted
viola: I see
CarlosRuiz: anyways - there are things that is better to discuss and vote - there are others that is better to discuss a draft and refine - there are others that is better to impose - it depends - each decision can be different
viola: yeah - I agree on that!
CarlosRuiz: for example:
CarlosRuiz: imposing the rules on /release - I didn't call for vote - I wrote them and keep maintaining them
CarlosRuiz: but for the PMC Structure I'm calling for discussion
CarlosRuiz: but as I wrote on the rules - people can call for review at any time
viola: ahm another malicious question: what is the status of this document: http://www.adempiere.com/index.php/Road_Map
CarlosRuiz: :-) "Warning: This is outdated information and needs to be corrected."
viola: I mean: shouldn't we have a longer roadmap - I remember we had this topic in Berlin already
CarlosRuiz: yep - the idea is that Release Management group maintain a roadmap and a wishlist - and establish mechanisms to chose things from branches - and vote the wishlist
CarlosRuiz: I think it's important to differentiate between a roadmap (that needs committed resources) and a wishlist
CarlosRuiz: for sure wishlist must influence the roadmap
viola: ok
CarlosRuiz: ok - any additional question?
viola: none from me
CarlosRuiz: then - thanks armenrz_, kai7, mark_o_, trifon, viola and vpj-cd for the assistance
CarlosRuiz: anyways - you don't need to wait for the montly meeting to ask - communication channel is open all the time on IRC, and forums, and mail and skype  :-D
CarlosRuiz: see you online!
viola: thanks and bye
mark_o_: thanks carlos. cya tomorrow
armenrz_: thank Carlos
kai7: Thank carlos, bye

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