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[[Category:FT/TT meeting minutes]]
 
[[Category:FT/TT meeting minutes]]

Revision as of 04:53, 10 December 2011

http://www.adempiere.com/FT/TT_meeting_minutes_December_5th_2011

Minutes

  1. General
    • Moderator: Tobias Schöneberg
    • Participants: Teo Sarca, Michael McKay, Mark Ostermann
    • Temporary partipants: Victor Perez, Mario Calderon
    • Date/ Time: Dec 5th 2011/15h - 17h GMT
  2. Bug triaging
    • Starting workflow where TT members triage bug trackers and come up with a resolution asap
    • TODO: Teo Sarca will write the details in this wiki and set up new tracker groups as required
  3. Angelo: Suggestion for recording the whole Meeting Log in Future (https://sourceforge.net/projects/adempiere/forums/forum/610546/topic/4820095/index/page/5, Post 18)
    • TT/TF adopts the sugestion, log see below
  4. Angelo: Suggestion to have silent participants in Team Meetings (https://sourceforge.net/projects/adempiere/forums/forum/610546/topic/4820095/index/page/5, Post 18)
    • TT/TF adopts the sugestion
  5. Emiliano: Statement from FT/ TT about author erasure
    • Issue of contributor names in SQL files is still open
    • FT/TT agree on following procedure
      1. For the four cases of carlos, and if we manually take something from a remote repo, the original author's name is added to the file
        • TODO: ??? find those four cases and the respective files; Add the author's name
        • Teo 09:31, 6 December 2011 (UTC) I had a short talk with Victor, yesterday night and he said he will do it
      2. For other cases (i.e.) the contirubtion is
        • if uploaded in trackers, the contributor shall set his name in sql scripts
        • if contributor is also commiter, they use their name in the commit
  6. ADempiereIdGenerator.java pluggable (Suggestion from Teo)? Code Quality/ Backward compatibility.
    • TODO: Teo will finish the partial implementation he already posted in the wiki (=>FR), Michael and Victor will need to test it
  7. Brazil localisation (discussion here: https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=28441805 )
  8. MSProject integration proposed by Marcos Vinícius Coutinho da Silva (full discussion here: https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=28471585 )
    • TODO: Teo will contact Marcos for further details and offer TT's advice&help
  9. Taking stock of current FRs, maybe provide a template-wiki-page for them and ask the FR repsponsible to provide documentation
  10. Next Meeting
    • TODO: ??? setup up a date and agenda for next meeting(s); Decide if we want to have another joint meeting

Log

Following is the meeting log, starting after TT/FT decided to record and publish the whole meeting log in future

[05.12.2011 16:53:49] Tobias Schoeneberg: ok :) next one [05.12.2011 16:53:52] Teodor Sarca: +1 [05.12.2011 16:53:53] Teodor Sarca: ;) [05.12.2011 16:54:03] Tobias Schoeneberg: Suggestion to have silent participants in Team Meetings [05.12.2011 16:54:39] Michael McKay: +1. No problems wih that. [05.12.2011 16:54:49] Teodor Sarca: +1 for *silent* participation [05.12.2011 16:54:51] Victor Perez Juarez: so we should continue using the sf.net tracker system?, or maybe we can migrate to something else easier. [05.12.2011 16:54:53] Victor Perez Juarez: ? [05.12.2011 16:55:01] Tobias Schoeneberg: +1 from me, too [05.12.2011 16:55:10] Mark Ostermann: +1 [05.12.2011 16:55:19] Tobias Schoeneberg: ok, next one [05.12.2011 16:55:36] Tobias Schoeneberg: pls have a look at http://www.adempiere.com/Functional_Team#20111205__.28together_with_Technical_Team.29 [05.12.2011 16:55:37] Mario Calderón: +1 [05.12.2011 16:55:45] Tobias Schoeneberg: is there more to talk about? [05.12.2011 16:55:56] Tobias Schoeneberg: i mean, about "Emiliano: Statement from FT/ TT about author erasure. What has been answered in Forum already? " [05.12.2011 16:56:19 | Bearbeitet 16:56:25] Tobias Schoeneberg: or do we agree with mark that it's finished? [05.12.2011 16:56:40] Mark Ostermann: ... not finished completely [05.12.2011 16:56:42] Teodor Sarca: i would say that the whole topic deserves a quick discussion. [05.12.2011 16:56:52] Mark Ostermann: sql scripts stuff still open [05.12.2011 16:57:03] Teodor Sarca: i mean just to everybody agree what is done and what is not done [05.12.2011 16:57:10] Teodor Sarca: e.g. [05.12.2011 16:57:11] Teodor Sarca: [Montag, 5. Dezember 2011 16:56] Mark Ostermann:

<<< sql scripts stuff still open [05.12.2011 16:58:10] Tobias Schoeneberg: [Montag, 5. Dezember 2011 16:57] Teodor Sarca:

<<< sql scripts stuff still openok..imho, the person creating the script should put there name to the top. if they don't, it's there problem. wdyt? [05.12.2011 16:58:45] Teodor Sarca: hmmm, to be very correct, as i understand, the answer is yes and no [05.12.2011 16:59:12] Teodor Sarca: if the person is uploading them to our mercurial or our trackers, i would say yes, you are right [05.12.2011 16:59:43] Teodor Sarca: but as i understand (correct me if I am wrong, because now i am not sure) those were taken from an external repository [05.12.2011 16:59:58] Teodor Sarca: so in that case i would suggest to put the name of the contributor on top of the script [05.12.2011 17:00:26] Teodor Sarca: i mean, i really don't want to have another painful discussions as we had [05.12.2011 17:00:31] Michael McKay: What is the important result of this? What do we want to achieve? [05.12.2011 17:00:54] Mark Ostermann: a) autom. author in migr. scripts [05.12.2011 17:01:16 | Bearbeitet 17:02:05] Mark Ostermann: b) -u parameter "with original author" in commit when code is taken from external repository [05.12.2011 17:01:39] Teodor Sarca: i would suggest to go with a) [05.12.2011 17:02:22] Teodor Sarca: and in case they are transplanted, automatically we are in case b) [05.12.2011 17:02:33] Mark Ostermann: yes [05.12.2011 17:02:40] Michael McKay: I don't think the -u parameter will work unless you are going to restrict commits to single files. Can we divorce the author of the code from the "clerical" author of the commit? [05.12.2011 17:02:53] Michael McKay: The importance is the history. Where did it come from. [05.12.2011 17:03:15] Mark Ostermann: [Montag, 5. Dezember 2011 17:02] Teodor Sarca:

<<< and in case they are transplantedand in cases of FR/ BF patches. or not? [05.12.2011 17:03:27] Teodor Sarca: IMHO, NOT! [05.12.2011 17:03:52] Teodor Sarca: i mean, for all manual contributions to repo we shall go with case a) [05.12.2011 17:04:05] Teodor Sarca: because in most of the cases, i am sorry but I don't care from where it come [05.12.2011 17:04:17] Teodor Sarca: but who introduced and so shall be asked to fix or somthing.... [05.12.2011 17:04:42] Teodor Sarca: and as far as I see, mercurial is a SCM and not a meritocracy system, sorry :)) [05.12.2011 17:05:31] Teodor Sarca: what i think is important is to have the names of contributors in our release logs [05.12.2011 17:05:39] Teodor Sarca: that is *important* [05.12.2011 17:06:18] Michael McKay: Thats what I mean by important history. The path through a thousand changes is not that relevant. [05.12.2011 17:08:06] Tobias Schoeneberg: ok do we agree to apply a), but not b) for now? [05.12.2011 17:08:36] Tobias Schoeneberg: and if so, what do we do until the "automatic" of a) has been implemented? [05.12.2011 17:08:59] Tobias Schoeneberg: suggestion: leave it to the SQL-author to add their name manually [05.12.2011 17:09:11] Teodor Sarca: tobi, i think this is a particular case [05.12.2011 17:09:38] Teodor Sarca: and i think it would apply only when we take something manually from a remote repository [05.12.2011 17:09:43] Teodor Sarca: e.g. globalqss case [05.12.2011 17:09:47] Teodor Sarca: for the rest: [05.12.2011 17:10:01] Mario Calderón: bye people, I have to leave.... [05.12.2011 17:10:11] Teodor Sarca: * contributor shall set his name in sql scripts if uploaded in trackers [05.12.2011 17:10:30] Teodor Sarca: * if contrbutor is also commiter, we has the name in the commit [05.12.2011 17:10:34] Michael McKay: Bye Mario. Have a great day. [05.12.2011 17:10:37] Teodor Sarca: bye mario [05.12.2011 17:10:40] Tobias Schoeneberg: by mario [05.12.2011 17:11:03] Teodor Sarca: so, i think we somehow we discuss to apply this rule retroactively for Carlos complains [05.12.2011 17:12:46] Tobias Schoeneberg: retroactively? you mean, identify all SQL from carlos-branch and add his name? [05.12.2011 17:13:11] Teodor Sarca: nop, we can apply only on those 4 cases.... [05.12.2011 17:13:29] Teodor Sarca: because in rest of them, carlos is the author of mercurial / svn commit [05.12.2011 17:14:25] Tobias Schoeneberg: ok [05.12.2011 17:14:40] Tobias Schoeneberg: mike, mark any comments? [05.12.2011 17:16:15] Michael McKay: Sorry - in and out. Agree to address the areas of complaint on a case by case basis. [05.12.2011 17:16:43] Mark Ostermann: me too. not a mass update, just because the committ came from carlos [05.12.2011 17:17:23] Michael McKay: Or to be more general - for a complaint brought by a community member. [05.12.2011 17:17:50 | Bearbeitet 17:18:08] Tobias Schoeneberg: ok, but for the four cases of carlos, and if we manually take something from a remote repo, we add the original author's name? before thate is any complaint? [05.12.2011 17:18:24] Teodor Sarca: [Montag, 5. Dezember 2011 17:17] Tobias Schoeneberg:

<<< ok, but for the four cases of carlos, and if we manually take something from a remote repo, we add the original author's name? before thate is any complaint?yes, exactly, +1 [05.12.2011 17:18:40] Tobias Schoeneberg: (fyi, i need to leave in around 30 minutes) [05.12.2011 17:19:08] Tobias Schoeneberg: thate=there [05.12.2011 17:19:09] Teodor Sarca: then, let's press the gas pedal :) [05.12.2011 17:19:52] Tobias Schoeneberg: OK, so for the four cases of carlos, and if we manually take something from a remote repo, we add the original author's name? [05.12.2011 17:19:53] Tobias Schoeneberg: +1 [05.12.2011 17:19:57] Mark Ostermann: +1 [05.12.2011 17:20:31] Michael McKay: +1 [05.12.2011 17:20:35] Tobias Schoeneberg: and for other cases, it's 

* contributor shall set his name in sql scripts if uploaded in trackers
* if contrbutor is also commiter, we has the name in the commit

[05.12.2011 17:20:37] Tobias Schoeneberg: ? [05.12.2011 17:20:49] Tobias Schoeneberg: +1 from me [05.12.2011 17:22:49] Teodor Sarca: +1 [05.12.2011 17:24:34] Michael McKay: +1 [05.12.2011 17:25:52] Mark Ostermann: -u parm is committer and not author. correct? [05.12.2011 17:26:00 | Bearbeitet 17:26:07] Mark Ostermann: just to be sure [05.12.2011 17:26:04] Tobias Schoeneberg: correct [05.12.2011 17:26:17] Michael McKay: Agreed. [05.12.2011 17:26:20] Mark Ostermann: ok, +1 from my side [05.12.2011 17:26:22] Tobias Schoeneberg: ok [05.12.2011 17:26:27] Tobias Schoeneberg: next one [05.12.2011 17:26:29] Tobias Schoeneberg: ADempiereIdGenerator.java pluggable [05.12.2011 17:26:36] Mark Ostermann: +1 [05.12.2011 17:26:38] Mark Ostermann: :) [05.12.2011 17:26:56] Mark Ostermann: teo said, it can be quickly done [05.12.2011 17:26:59] Teodor Sarca: +1, but who will finish it ? i already provided to red1 the partial solution.... [05.12.2011 17:27:30] Tobias Schoeneberg: [Montag, 5. Dezember 2011 17:26] Teodor Sarca:

<<< but who will finish it ?if you want it be done reight...you what the say :) [05.12.2011 17:27:35] Michael McKay: No input from me on this. Not sure what it means. Will go with TT decision. [05.12.2011 17:28:16] Tobias Schoeneberg: i think one can do it in 25min [05.12.2011 17:28:24] Tobias Schoeneberg: so +1 [05.12.2011 17:28:59] Teodor Sarca: [Montag, 5. Dezember 2011 17:27] Tobias Schoeneberg:

<<< if you want it be done reight...you what the say :)tobi, i like when we talk in proverbs :)) [05.12.2011 17:29:13] Tobias Schoeneberg: thx, me too [05.12.2011 17:29:52] Tobias Schoeneberg: ok, to we decided to make it pluggable. we will nag mark to give a time-slot to do it to teo [05.12.2011 17:30:01] Tobias Schoeneberg: we= teo and I :) [05.12.2011 17:30:01] Teodor Sarca: zo, ok i can finish it but then i need Victor and/or Mike to test it that it still working for their case [05.12.2011 17:30:15] Tobias Schoeneberg: sure [05.12.2011 17:30:22] Mark Ostermann: ok, great [05.12.2011 17:30:30] Tobias Schoeneberg: next one [05.12.2011 17:30:32] Tobias Schoeneberg: Brazil localisation [05.12.2011 17:30:48] Tobias Schoeneberg: what is the question here? [05.12.2011 17:31:39] Teodor Sarca: i added to agenda for the history. from last meeting we managed with Brazil community to integrate with us [05.12.2011 17:31:54] Mark Ostermann: no question. was just for history [05.12.2011 17:32:08] Mark Ostermann: as reminder for actions done [05.12.2011 17:32:27 | Bearbeitet 17:32:54] Mark Ostermann: ;) ah, thanks teo. i'm writing to slowly [05.12.2011 17:32:57] Tobias Schoeneberg: ok. then..ah..next one? [05.12.2011 17:33:09] Mark Ostermann: one moment [05.12.2011 17:33:24] Mark Ostermann: ricardo asked about non-base-language [05.12.2011 17:33:55] Mark Ostermann: does anybody know if he has created a repository yet to push his code? [05.12.2011 17:35:11] Tobias Schoeneberg: aparently not. [05.12.2011 17:35:57] Mark Ostermann: ok [05.12.2011 17:36:00] Teodor Sarca: shall we create one, or for the first stage we shall advice to add it in brazil repo [05.12.2011 17:36:33 | Bearbeitet 17:36:39] Teodor Sarca: and then integrate in an adempiere branch, and then following the process and mixing with our current work, shall reach the base line [05.12.2011 17:36:39] Teodor Sarca: ? [05.12.2011 17:37:20] Tobias Schoeneberg: i think we can leave it to him to decide [05.12.2011 17:38:00] Mark Ostermann: i just thought it would be a good FR for FT/ TT. We already have started with our solution. Would be good to compare how the brazilians want to solve this problem and we could see if we can merge/ combine our efforts somehow [05.12.2011 17:38:27] Mark Ostermann: i think we can leave it to him to decideyes, sure [05.12.2011 17:38:45] Tobias Schoeneberg: i think the most convenient solution for us would be a FR in the adempiere-repo. [05.12.2011 17:39:08] Teodor Sarca: @tobi, me too [05.12.2011 17:39:25] Tobias Schoeneberg: we can contact and ask him. agree? is yes, who wants to do it? [05.12.2011 17:39:42] Mark Ostermann: someone of TT? [05.12.2011 17:40:06] Teodor Sarca: i can do it. or if tobi wants, is fine... maybe is better. [05.12.2011 17:40:18] Tobias Schoeneberg: i can do it. [05.12.2011 17:40:35] Mark Ostermann: here's the thread: https://sourceforge.net/projects/adempiere/forums/forum/611158/topic/2529762 [05.12.2011 17:40:43] Tobias Schoeneberg: thx. ok. ready for next one? [05.12.2011 17:40:47] Mark Ostermann: y [05.12.2011 17:40:49] Tobias Schoeneberg: MSProject integration proposed by Marcos Vinícius Coutinho da Silva [05.12.2011 17:41:09] Michael McKay: This is a great idea. I have no time but would love to support it. [05.12.2011 17:41:15] Teodor Sarca: ok [05.12.2011 17:41:27] Teodor Sarca: let me add some brief intro first [05.12.2011 17:41:29] Tobias Schoeneberg: same here :) [05.12.2011 17:41:47] Teodor Sarca: the idea is the guy contacted me and told me about what he is doing [05.12.2011 17:41:55] Teodor Sarca: (the discussion is in CC to TT/FT) [05.12.2011 17:42:12] Teodor Sarca: i encouraged him to also join the community and present him self [05.12.2011 17:42:33] Teodor Sarca: until now, i have to response but I've added also to agenda [05.12.2011 17:43:12] Teodor Sarca: hope in nearest future to have any contact from him because i think this contribution can open new horizonts to adempiere... [05.12.2011 17:43:17] Teodor Sarca: (end) [05.12.2011 17:44:15] Tobias Schoeneberg: [Montag, 5. Dezember 2011 17:42] Teodor Sarca:

<<< until now, i have to responseyou mean "no" response? [05.12.2011 17:44:39] Teodor Sarca: yes, i mean NO response. sorry typo error [05.12.2011 17:47:20] Tobias Schoeneberg: ok, can you contact him once more? we could provide a repo for him. [05.12.2011 17:47:43] Teodor Sarca: sure, that was also my intention [05.12.2011 17:47:50] Tobias Schoeneberg: then we can review and think about next steps [05.12.2011 17:48:18] Tobias Schoeneberg: ok, everybody agree [05.12.2011 17:48:19] Tobias Schoeneberg: ? [05.12.2011 17:48:40] Mark Ostermann: +1 [05.12.2011 17:48:45] Tobias Schoeneberg: +1 [05.12.2011 17:48:50] Teodor Sarca: +1 [05.12.2011 17:49:10] Tobias Schoeneberg: ok, next one [05.12.2011 17:49:11] Tobias Schoeneberg: Taking stock of current FRs, maybe provide a template-wiki-page for them and ask the FR repsponsible to provide documentation [05.12.2011 17:49:28] Tobias Schoeneberg: i need to leave now [05.12.2011 17:50:02] Mark Ostermann: i believe we already have a template [05.12.2011 17:50:06] Mark Ostermann: i'll check [05.12.2011 17:50:23] Mark Ostermann: bye tobi. have a nive evening. [05.12.2011 17:50:33] Mark Ostermann: are we finished then? [05.12.2011 17:50:39 | Bearbeitet 17:51:06] Tobias Schoeneberg: [Montag, 5. Dezember 2011 17:50] Mark Ostermann:

<<< i believe we already have a templateyes, but i would like to create pages, add them all to a common category like "FR in progress" [05.12.2011 17:51:26] Mark Ostermann: ok [05.12.2011 17:51:29] Tobias Schoeneberg: ok, cu [05.12.2011 17:51:40] Teodor Sarca: cu [05.12.2011 17:51:42] Tobias Schoeneberg: mark can vote for me, if there is anything to vote [05.12.2011 17:52:40] Michael McKay: Sorry - on the phone. Re MSProject. +1 I'm aware of serveral large companies that are struggling to implement MSProject in a SAP environment. Teh key problem is tracking of project data. Being able to roll-up project budgets and forecasts in ADempiere would be a great feature. [05.12.2011 17:53:48] Teodor Sarca: @Mike, i will contact the guy tomorrow and see what is happening. we are only on inception phase with this project. [05.12.2011 17:54:17] Teodor Sarca: ok, do we have more points to discuss? [05.12.2011 17:56:12] Mark Ostermann: i think that were all points on the agenda and we can close for today. [05.12.2011 17:56:29] Trifon: sorry i just came back. [05.12.2011 17:56:34] Trifon: missed the whole meeting. [05.12.2011 17:56:35] Teodor Sarca: yep, i think that too [05.12.2011 17:57:13] Teodor Sarca: them, bye bye to everybody and thanks for the fastforward productive meeting [05.12.2011 17:58:47] Mark Ostermann: bye teo. thanks alot too [05.12.2011 17:58:51] Mark Ostermann: bye everybody [05.12.2011 18:19:30] Victor Perez Juarez: I sorry . I had that go [05.12.2011 18:19:50] Victor Perez Juarez: my network connection was disconect [05.12.2011 18:51:20] Mario Calderón: I'm back . bye to all

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